Jennie for part in Doctor Who

[mich007]

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As I said above, Jen has made moves to do so and apologised to Ais for the final week when she admits the pressure got to her and said/did things she isn't proud of, but unfortunately Ais didn't really want to know.

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I guess it would be hard for Ash to trust Jenny after what she did. Jenny was IMO very complicated she blew hot and cold. She found it hard to take responsibility for her own actions e.g trying to blame Ash and Imogen for her relationship with Pete being taken out of context allegedly. I did not like her to be honest, I find it hard to believe Ash did not want to know her after the show if she approached her. I say this because Ash has forgiven Glyn, she quotes him as being a very good friend no. I personally wouldn't trust him, what with his alliances with Jenny Grace and Richard; so why would Jenny be any different. Even in her web-cast via More she said that she didn't know what happened with Jenny. I think Ash is capable of giving people another chance, she proved it with Glyn. Of course she is no angel, I could be wrong, but personally I wouldn't want anything to do with Jenny I just couldn't trust her. She seems like high maintenance, easily jealousy it appears and very insecure. Personally with my observations in BB I think she drained Ash. I also think she really believed Ash would be voted off before her, what a shock it must have been for her. I wish Jenny all the best, perhaps she would be a good presenter. I hope she has learned some valuable lessons about herself and others after coming out of the house.

[battybetty]

bengos said:

As I said above, Jen has made moves to do so and apologised to Ais for the final week when she admits the pressure got to her and said/did things she isn't proud of, but unfortunately Ais didn't really want to know.

This doesn't make either of them evil - just human. Tis why I like them.

Now bengos, fairs fair, don't be putting words into my mouth. I was having some fun but I certainly never said anyone was 'evil' now did I.
I just think it would take a lot more than a simple 'sorry' to really make things right between them. We all know they were all under pressure but it doesn't change the fact that a trust was badly broken by jennie, and at a time when her trust was vital to Ais. Even if Ais forgives her (a distinct possibility, since we all know Ash has shown a huge capacity for forgiveness), that trust is a far more difficult thing to get back.

Without any malice in the statement, I think its a valid point to make and sad though it may be, I suspect more than anything else, its probably the very thing that will likely keep Ais from ever being as close to her again. Im not on any witch hunt but she let Ais down when she needed her most, so I can't really blame Ais for not wanting to risk getting close enough to risk that happening again. Not while Ais has more reliable friends around her she can depend on.

Time is a healer though, so who knows, they still may eventually end up going on holidays together in the future...although it may have to be a Saga holiday!

Loved the Susie pic - very good indeed. ;D

[bengos]

Mich007 and Battybetty, i'll reply to you both at once if that's OK.

I agree with everything you say (apologies to batty - I wasn't trying to put words into your mouth - my posting style is somewhat "freestyle" and I should be clear when i'm just waffling or replying).

Of course I do not blame Ais at all for the Jennie situation and i'll repeat that I think she was totally spot on in her webchat when she says "there's been some wires crossed".

Pressure does funny things to people and whilst it's abhorrent to us that Ais should be treated the way she was, I think Richard, Glyn, and Nikki should take some responsibility for how Jen was during the final week (we forget Jen was only 18 and it's easy for someone so young to be caught up in a pack mentality) and I just wish BB had run for another week as I believe Jennie may well have redeemed herself (in the same way Ais did so wonderfully following her "off week" prior to the HND stuff).

I'd personally be very interested to see what input others have had into this. Have people such as Richard and Lisa, post-BB, twisted things with Jennie somewhat and made the situation worse? Has her association with those people subconcsiously (sp?) told Ais that Jennie is as bad as they are?

Ais as we know is a very forgiving person, as you mentioned. But I do know that Jennie genuinely did try and make up with Ais and that Jen was quite hurt/upset by the response. Jen knows she let herself and Ais down (I quote: "I wanted to forget about the past and I know I turned into super bi@tch in the last week but its crazy what that house does to you. I would never dream of bitchin about someone like that on the outside. I was wrong.")

I'd like to think that such a confession could lead to forgiveness from Ais and Ais fans.

Maybe i'm just a romanticist in that i'd hope the two of them could be friends. If it's too late for that, at least (unlike many other HMs) they aren't publicly enemies and slagging each other off. I don't think I could personally bare that, being that I adore them both.

[julian]

I don't recall any information about Aisleyne and Jennie communication post-BB so I assume the news that Jennie apologized and that Aisleyne did not respond too well came from a Jennie interview?

I wonder if the crossed-wires might have something to do with Jennie's interpretation of Aisleyne's response?

It certainly seems a bit out of character on Aisleyne's part to be ungracious over an apology, particularly when she seemed so close to Jennie for most of the time

Regards

Julian

[mich007]

bengos said:

Mich007 and Battybetty, Jen knows she let herself and Ais down (I quote: "I wanted to forget about the past and I know I turned into super bi@tch in the last week but its crazy what that house does to you. I would never dream of bitchin about someone like that on the outside. I was wrong.")

I'd like to think that such a confession could lead to forgiveness from Ais and Ais fans.

Not sure that was a direct apology or just a general passing comment, a bit hazy IMO. If Jenny has directly tried to apologise to Jenny and you have inside info on this (however there are 2 sides to every story) well I guess that's Ash's choice. Sometimes you forgive but you can't forget and trust a person again. If you can't trust a person there's no basis for a relationship. Ash may well have forgiven Jenny but decided that she couldn't rekindle a friendship with her. I think she felt that Jenny used her just like Nikki, and that must have really hurt considering she really took her under her wing treating her like a sister. Remember that lovely composition she wrote for her in the friendship task. In fact I think she sacrificed her friendship with Imogen to please Jenny in the friendship task. I think Imogen felt lost when Ash chose Jenny to pair up with in the task. I personally think she put Jenny's feelings before Imogen, she knew how sensitive Jenny could be. By the way I think Jenny has made a few jibes aimed at Ash in 1 or 2 interviews that i've read IMO. I remember her saying in one interview (quote I would NEVER snog Pete [/b]- Was she referring to Ash's performance in spin the bottle Then in another interview (A question was put to her - quote Who would you do photo shoot with Jenny's response was (quote not Ash). Personally I think that was uncalled for and quite spiteful) (Then again recently she made it obvious she wasn't sending Ash a Christmas card) I suppose this arguement could run and run. I don't think Ash and Jenny are suited to each other and Ash is 10 years her senior. Sometimes such an age gap between friends isn't a problem but in this case it is. Aside from the Ash situation, I don't really take a shine to Jenny, she's a bit gobby high maintenance and too insecure IMO and I couldn't trust her. She's not the sort of person I would hang around with, then again the feeling would probably be mutual with her . That said like Ash I wish her all the best the future, and my opinion of her hasn't been formed purely because of how she treated Ash.

[battybetty]

There always going to be split opinions over Jennie. However, I tend to agree with mich. Jennie let Ais down when she needed her most.
Anyone who read my some of my old posts about Jennie over on BB forums will know I stopped trusting her 'grown up', 'girl next door' act from round the second week she was in the main house. She was clearly a girl on a mission. I was waiting for her to prove my suspicions correct and sadly for Ais she showed her both her spiteful and her manipulative sides all too readily once the others were turning against Ais and she felt it was safe for her to drop Ais like a hot brick.

Sorry bengos, I respect that you have a right to your opinions too but personally I don't think shes completely genuine and while Im not saying for a moment that shes the embodiment of all evil, I still dont think shes as nice a girl as she tries to paint herself. You can put it down to her age or the pressure if you want to but she knew exactly what she was doing. I think shes too clever for her own good and suspect her every public word is carefully measured, not for malice, but for maximum personal benefit.

I hope that she learnt a few useful lessons about true friendship from Ais but I feel her comments to the press are more about her embarrassment at her disgraceful behaviour and regret at making herself look foolish when she realised that Ais was shown to be more popular and a much nicer person than her. I don't think her public apologies were a display of genuine remorse towards Ais, more like a PR exercise.

Of course we don't know exactly what she has said to Ais in person but since it clearly wasn't enough for Ais to change her opinion then it couldn't have been very convincing or Ais would have been only too delighted to have a friend back. Only when Ais accepts her back unreservedly will I be prepared to take another look at Jennie myself.

[bengos]

Good replies, both of you. Can't disagree with those opinions being that they are your honest feelings. Obviously I like Jen more than your good selves, and we're not going to change each others minds, so lets happily agree to disagree, I think.

Mich said: "Ash may well have forgiven Jenny but decided that she couldn't rekindle a friendship with her."

Yes, that makes a lot of sense to me too, Mich.

FYI the quote I mentioned wasn't a press quote but a personal one, so on that occasion I don't think one could claim it was made for "PR purposes" (I accept you didn't know this, by the way).



Enjoyed this thread - thanks for not jumping on me and appreciating that i'm still an Ais fan too!

[mich007]

bengos said:

Good replies, both of you. Can't disagree with those opinions being that they are your honest feelings. Obviously I like Jen more than your good selves, and we're not going to change each others minds, so lets happily agree to disagree, I think.

Mich said: "Ash may well have forgiven Jenny but decided that she couldn't rekindle a friendship with her."

Yes, that makes a lot of sense to me too, Mich.

FYI the quote I mentioned wasn't a press quote but a personal one, so on that occasion I don't think one could claim it was made for "PR purposes" (I accept you didn't know this, by the way).



Enjoyed this thread - thanks for not jumping on me and appreciating that i'm still an Ais fan too!

Thanks for being open to different opinion, some of us could learn from you....

Take care

[battybetty]

bengos said:

Good replies, both of you. Can't disagree with those opinions being that they are your honest feelings. Obviously I like Jen more than your good selves, and we're not going to change each others minds, so lets happily agree to disagree, I think.



Enjoyed this thread - thanks for not jumping on me and appreciating that i'm still an Ais fan too!

I enjoyed it too and Im sure there was never was any intention of 'jumping' on anyone at any time I may still be a bit cross with jennie but not with you! Besides, there's plenty of room for everyone to have an opinon here bengos. It is the season of goodwill after all and your own loyalty to both Jennie and Ais sets a good example in itself. Can't fault that!