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Post by bengos on Oct 25, 2006 23:58:56 GMT
How Aisleyne may or may not choose to be photographed does not define her as a person. Even if she did h/c mags with legs akimbo, it doesn't make her any less endearing as a person.
You could say to your husband, that you love him for who he is and what he happens to look like, naked or otherwise, is merely a bonus. What defines your love/respect/insert emotion for him is who he is, how he acts, and how he treats people. If his workplace did a calendar which involved him standing naked hiding his bits with a clipboard, it doesn't make him any less of a decent human being.
The same applies to Aisleyne.
If her motives for such work are not ill-advised (IE she's being shoe-horned into an area of work she isn't comfortable with), which I asume not to be the case, then this does not detract from her as a person.
When she walked around the BB house in a thong, did this make her any less endearing inside (which is what really counts, not external stuff)? Not at all, in the same way that seeing hubby come out of the shower doesn't demean him either. The fact that one is in the public eye and one isn't, and one is someone you fancy and one isn't, is not relevent.
Hope that helps.
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Post by odm on Oct 26, 2006 0:01:10 GMT
I understand what your husband is asking as DT has said if we had partners they too may wonder why we are such huge fans of aisleyne im straight and whilst i think ais is beautifull i certainly dont fancy her , i too worry about her chosen path but as mentioned maybe thats the only path being laid before her in which case i thinks its more important for her to make the most of her success as it seems that her agent has let her down or maybe there really is nothing else that was on offer i stuggle with that thought as i feel ais is worth so much more than glamour shots i feel so strongly about her because of her inner strenghth not her looks she has compassion and was by far the nicest person in the house but not even the best of a bad bunch id be hounoured to have her as a friend as i see lots of aspects in her that i admire and feel is important ina human being her loyalty is without fault , if im being honest i am not happy with the shots allthough she looks nice i dont buy these mags for obvious reasons LOL But she can only do her best and ive every belife that had she been offered a better opputunity she would have taken it im not sure who to blame for this her agent ? or just a genral lack of intrest from the right people we her fans here and at team aisleyne have fought hard for her and i know we have done our very best also we all showed her that people do care and that she does have fans and people who understand her and accept her we can only do what she herself is doing and thats just by keep on keeping on and do our best . Again i have to stress i do not belive aisleyne has been given a fair shot at anything with regards music or tv work we all know she is worth more we can only hope that something better comes along   Always love your posts HG because I feel you tune into some of my thoughts....I dont need to say much with you around cos you say it so well. I want Ais to do well and I am sure she will. As you will see from my posts here I was pulled up short by what my husband said and that made me wonder really what I was doing for a minute. I think we all miss aisleyne on a daily basis as we could tune in and follow the situations she found herself faced with and we could sort of join in with what was going on by talking about it. Since Bb finnished we have all been left with whatever we can find out and nothing on a daily basis unless we come across news reports. We dont know what she thinks anymore or what she is aiming for and of course most of her shots are very very glamour....so obviously its all I have mostly been able to fish for and my husband must think I am mad  It will be nice if things pan out for Ais and she gets more interesting things come her way. DT has loads of patience and I think she probably is right wanting to wait and see. I shall join that queue and put my husbands comment down to a bad day?? hee hee hugs for you HG. XXXXX |
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Post by odm on Oct 26, 2006 0:02:47 GMT
How Aisleyne may or may not choose to be photographed does not define her as a person. Even if she did h/c mags with legs akimbo, it doesn't make her any less endearing as a person. You could say to your husband, that you love him for who he is and what he happens to look like, naked or otherwise, is merely a bonus. What defines your love/respect/insert emotion for him is who he is, how he acts, and how he treats people. If his workplace did a calendar which involved him standing naked hiding his bits with a clipboard, it doesn't make him any less of a decent human being. The same applies to Aisleyne. If her motives for such work are not ill-advised (IE she's being shoe-horned into an area of work she isn't comfortable with), which I asume not to be the case, then this does not detract from her as a person. When she walked around the BB house in a thong, did this make her any less endearing inside (which is what really counts, not external stuff)? Not at all, in the same way that seeing hubby come out of the shower doesn't demean him either. The fact that one is in the public eye and one isn't, and one is someone you fancy and one isn't, is not relevent. Hope that helps. Yes Im inclined to agree with you Bengos  |
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Post by Harvestgoddess on Oct 26, 2006 0:13:45 GMT
Aw *BIG HUGS * back ODM And i dont think its just a bad day its good to question our reasons for supporting someone , dont fret ive had a few people tell me big brother is over i should move on, get a hobby, go out ,get a life ect LOL It could be worse we could be nikki fans Now that would be bad not sure id have the energy to defend all of things she does or the way she behaves Anyway its good that we can be honest and open and also i think we can be objective which is a good thing rather than blind to the things we dont like  Hope your ok and im sorry to hear your son didnt pass , give him my love and i hope he passes next time |
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Post by kowalski on Oct 26, 2006 16:48:58 GMT
Ash hasn't really done nude, and I wouldn't have a problem with her actually doing nude , it's more about the quality of the photography/look that matters .
Vogue have some nude photos and they wouldn't be considered tacky.
Nuts and Zoo have a style which isn't great, too much fake tan, cliched shots : hands on boobs etc. they make all the girls do the same poses .
odm,
I know where you're coming from, it's hard to explain to someone why ash is so wonderful and worthy of our fascination if all they know of her is the 'bimbo' image.
Have you shown your Hubby any of BB ? That way he could see how she's not vain or stupid or greedy, she's not shallow, she's very considerate and loyal etc.
I've had the same problem with friends who don't really watch the show and they're surprised that I like a 'bimbo' , but whenever I try and explain to them why they just aren't that interested, they think anyone that would go on BB is as bad as each other .
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Post by odm on Oct 30, 2006 1:13:08 GMT
Ash hasn't really done nude, and I wouldn't have a problem with her actually doing nude , it's more about the quality of the photography/look that matters . Vogue have some nude photos and they wouldn't be considered tacky. Nuts and Zoo have a style which isn't great, too much fake tan, cliched shots : hands on boobs etc. they make all the girls do the same poses . odm, I know where you're coming from, it's hard to explain to someone why ash is so wonderful and worthy of our fascination if all they know of her is the 'bimbo' image. Have you shown your Hubby any of BB ? That way he could see how she's not vain or stupid or greedy, she's not shallow, she's very considerate and loyal etc. I've had the same problem with friends who don't really watch the show and they're surprised that I like a 'bimbo' , but whenever I try and explain to them why they just aren't that interested, they think anyone that would go on BB is as bad as each other . Thank you for your understanding Kowalski...I exalt you. |
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Post by Angie on Oct 30, 2006 3:12:35 GMT
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Post by mich007 on Oct 30, 2006 6:18:25 GMT
Hi Prem, yes thank you for replying to my post. It is not that Ash might have 'changed' in personality that concerns me, its how to answer my husbands question as to why I am supporting a half naked woman?? I found about about the Tease photos like everyone else did, but not straightaway when I began to like Aisleyne. In fact if I recall I heard about Imogen naughty home video before I knew about Ais photos because I remember someone moaning at me for being slightly negative about Imogen and her Video as the other person said something about Ais having dirty washing out there.....which at the time i was not aware of ( If her ex glamour shots can be classed that way) So its not really about what she has done before as of course I did not begin to support her on the basis of that. I supported her on the basis of challenging the underdog...what concerns me is what my husband has said to me. so the question is, are we all supporting a Nude Glamour Model because if we are and that is all she is going to do, then we are not supporting the underdog as she is not an underdog anymore.. does anyone understand what I mean??  To a certain extent she still is an underdog. The way she is still trashed as ever I suppose it is for the way she looks/presents herself. I have kept up to date concerning what is happening with her not because I agree with the glamour stuff but because I yearn to read somewhere that she has earned a slot on a respectable TV or radio show. I don't like the direction she has gone in but I can't knock her for it as this is what she was into before. It is just more of the same at a greater magnitude with a higher paycheck Having said that if she ended on on TVX I would switch off my interest. I wouldn't hate her but I would think it was a shame and waste. Idon't think Ais has a very high opinion of herself. She doesn't see herself as her supporters saw her in the house she gave the game away by believing everyone hated her. Perhaps she is just out to make as much money as she can and then pack it in and go to uni when/if it all dies down. I just don't know. I empathise with Ash her story is sad, she strikes me as a bit of a lost soul. She could have won BB7 but Endemol made sure she didn't, shame that she could have taken a different direction if she did. Nikki and Grace the vile bullies from BB7 end up looking almost respectable with the opportunities they have been given since leaving the show on the surface of course we know this is not the truth picture and she is made out to be some wh*re. There is an injustice in this and I think this is why I still scan the Internet hoping to find that Ash has struck a deal in a different direction. People are dissing her saying that's all she's worth and using this to knock her. People think very little of glamour models in general unless of course you are Jordon however she still gets a fair share of bashing. Obvioulsy Ash has defences up against criticism and is not bothered what people think. One thing I will say is that in my observations of BB7 it has taught me not to look down on someone because of their chosen area of work. It is how you treat people your character that makes you a nice person not necessarily the job you do. So if a woman exploits her sexuality it does not neccessarily mean she is a bad person you have to look at people individually and see where they are coming from. You can't paint everyone the same. Ash trashers are having a field day knocking Ash she's an easy target because of the field she's in. Some of the same people on DS are bigging up Grace the bully. I still call her a bully because of how she treated Susie when she came OUT of the house. It tells me nothing has changed. I will not be watching BB8 as I don't want to get drawn in by Endemol again, because it is a fix and of course as I can see that justice hasn't prevailed or maybe just not yet in Ash's case and it makes me sad. |
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Post by rudyrudyrudy on Oct 30, 2006 6:44:26 GMT
mich, i hadn't watched any big brother programmes after the second summer one, until this year half way through, when a friend (avid bb viewer for ever) alerted me to what was happening to aisleyne on the house next door stuff at the beginning of july. i got hooked watching her and had little interest in what the others got up to unless she was in the picture; and here i now be, still hooked.
but i've no intention of watching the next bb or derivatives like january's cbb. reality tv on the whole is boring to me still.
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Post by julian on Nov 2, 2006 13:24:39 GMT
Its odd you know, but I cant imagine Aisleyne getting tacky and somehow feel you could be right about airbrushing. I dont think I have seen anything full frontal or anything pertaining to that and because of it the impression you get of Ais is that she has got her limits. As an alternative to airbrushing she could have been wearing a modesty patch or the photographer and crew could have been female. I don't really think it matters, though, whether she was really naked or not if the end result does not reveal anything it shouldn't. Nude photography, or painting, or sculpting can be quite a classy form of art with no stigma attached to it at all. Being naked in front of a photographer is not necessarily any worse than being naked in front of your doctor as long as everyone's professional about it. Regards Julian |
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