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Post by Cloud 9 on Sept 10, 2006 8:57:51 GMT
Ais said this on BBBM final night. The 'female icon' thing has already been discussed, but she's done something else for women that I'm pleased about.
I was sick of hearing this notion that women are so constantly jealous, bi@tchy and competative with each other, that they're usually incapable of supporting a fellow female. Of course some are, but it was my opinion that we are more than able to admire and support other females.
Yet time after time on shows like Big Brother (where the majority of votes were coming from females) it was always the males who did well.
Of course you have to take into account the fact that theres a good chance the young females will end up fancying one of the guys and that would sway their vote, but I didn't believe there was as much as this jealousy among women as there was made out to be.
I think it was just that these competitions were more likely to attract women into it who were bi@tchy, bimbo-ish or too much in love with themselves to be admired. Perhaps this is a reflection of how our society is still a little bit sexist (in the sense that females confident enough to go on TV usually are the pretty ones, whereas with males this doesn't have to be the case). Maybe the females with more of a fun/nice personality but lacking the looks feel more intimidated about going on TV than a man would do, since they're usually judged and critisised more on their looks/figure than men are?
Anyway, one thing that Ais did is show that women are quite capable of not only liking a blonde, attractive female (with a body to die for) without feeling jealous......but practically falling in love with her themselves and admiring her looks, her body, her style, her sexyness as well as her character.
I think its great that woman for a change can show a united appreciation and admiration for a fellow female - especially when its one thats so attractive. As I said, I think this reflects my opinion that a good proportion of woman are not incapable of supporting other woman because of the jealousy thing, its just that in the majority of the time, the wrong women are chosen to go on TV.
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Post by frisky on Sept 10, 2006 9:12:35 GMT
Thank you for a great, thought provoking post.
Aisleyne brings out the older sister dynamic in me. And she is the kind of younger woman I usually end up being friends with. I like her sometimes in spite of herself!
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Post by Cloud 9 on Sept 10, 2006 9:18:09 GMT
Thank you for a great, thought provoking post. Aisleyne brings out the older sister dynamic in me. And she is the kind of younger woman I usually end up being friends with. I like her sometimes in spite of herself! Hi Frisky I know what you mean. Its quite amazing how shes inspired so many woman not only to like her and admire her - obviously first and foremost for her character, but (I'm sure surprisingly for some) - for her beauty, confidence and sexyness as well (things that woman are supposed to be jealous of in other women) .....and also manage to have sisterly, motherly and friendly feelings for her all rolled into one! |
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Post by Harvestgoddess on Sept 10, 2006 12:47:29 GMT
Well im the same age as aisleyne and female but have obviously supported her and whilst i think she is beautifull to look at (im not gay) She is beautifull underneath wasnt certain about her at first but she continued to impress me . But i do agree that some girls mainly and no offence to younger viewers teenagers who i guess at that age either fancy the likes of pete or glyn or will still be a bit imature to apreciate aisleyne but aisleyne is certainly someone i would want as a friend as she is loyal and im a stckler for loyalty  |
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Post by Cloud 9 on Sept 10, 2006 13:05:38 GMT
Well im the same age as aisleyne and female but have obviously supported her and whilst i think she is beautifull to look at (im not gay) She is beautifull underneath wasnt certain about her at first but she continued to impress me . But i do agree that some girls mainly and no offence to younger viewers teenagers who i guess at that age either fancy the likes of pete or glyn or will still be a bit imature to apreciate aisleyne but aisleyne is certainly someone i would want as a friend as she is loyal and im a stckler for loyalty She was able to attract such a variety of people, young girls, young women and middle-aged women alike. As well as the males too of course - and like the women, I think the men as much as they might have fancied her, admired her as much if not moreso for her character. |
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Post by belfastbelle on Sept 10, 2006 15:13:37 GMT
Excellent post, thanks Cloud 9. You put your finger on why Ais is appealing for many women. Thanks for raising this issue. There has been a sort of stereotypical female on BB - and also a stereoptypical female response to BB contestants. Ais ( quite delightfully ) broke a stereotype, and her female fans did in their responses, too.
The more I think of it, the more I believe Aisleyne transcended BB - if thats not too grandiose a term. She had so much more to offer than the usual BB fodder. She was far too thoughtful, sensitive and subtle a character to be appreciated by BB marketing - its an increasingly formulaic, patronising show.
I'm a 35 year old female who never really got caught up in BB before, was never inspired ( except by Nadia ). Still, I am absolutely fascinated by Aisleyne. If she could find a niche in the media I would love to see more of her. I really hope its not a flash in the pan, there arent that many ( young + sexy ) females on TV that are so essentially likeable as Aisleyne. Lets hope theres a market out there for someone of Ais's quality. Don't know a thing about media matters but i.m.o. she has crossover appeal, if thats the right term.
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Post by CazPar on Sept 10, 2006 15:33:01 GMT
Yes, excellent OP. Ash is the one who made it interesting for me this year. 100% female, not a butch bone in her body, but yet no bitchy, not nasty or conniving, just female. Yeah, for me that's what it was - she represents some of the best of being female. If she was bitchy it was only in moments of great stress, and not for fun. I think it would be good if she would post on this forum tho.
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Post by Cloud 9 on Sept 10, 2006 16:32:55 GMT
Don't know a thing about media matters but i.m.o. she has crossover appeal, if thats the right term. Hi belfastbelle I'm like you (never particuarly liked a BB contestant before). I think crossover appeal is the right word - females and males; and females of all ages and socia/cultural backgrounds too. I think its a good thing (and unfortunately not such a common thing) to have so many women backing and supporting another female. Its a shame that so many see our sex as being too filled with jealousy/competition with each other to be able to appreciate other women. But as I said, I think its less to do with the majority of women being jealous and more to do with just not appreciating the bimbo type that is put forward. Far too often I think its the two extremes of women that represent us in the media - the young, good-looking girl who more often than not is either obsessed with how they look/love themselves too much with nothing much to admire underneath.....or an unsexy, older person who is more intellectual.. usually seen more on political programmes and only recognised for their intellect. Aside from her character which was obviously her most attractive point.....Aisleyne was young, had the looks, the body, the confidence and was flirtatious. But she was grounded enough to realise that as much as she was a physical person and enjoyed to get herself glammed up, flirt and attract the opposite sex; that deeper characteristics were far more important. The fact she had no inhibitions about looking natural and showing her unattractive side to the public showed this. And I have to say, although it attracted the petty and superficial critisisms from the haters, I'm glad she did it. Grace was quick to bi@tch about 'how ugly she'd be without her make-up on' when she first entered the house. I think Ais showed real confidence in herself to go about as she was, without caring what any male or female thought about her. She wasn't one of these tanned, natural beauties and I think showing herself as she was (warts and all) was a really positive thing to do - especially in an age where everyone is becoming obsessed with how they look (some even getting depressed and looking for plastic surgery just because they're not reaching perfection) |
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Post by Cloud 9 on Sept 10, 2006 16:36:10 GMT
Yes, Yeah, for me that's what it was - she represents some of the best of being female. Doesn't she just! |
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Post by Charlie! on Sept 10, 2006 18:36:28 GMT
Me and my mates watched the evictions together every friday night about 8 of us we all loved Ash except for one of my mates whose favourite was jennie, she said that Ash would never win BB because, "she is female with blonde hair and fake boobs, so no-one will vote for her."
My mate Rach said, "I think that says more about the voting public than about Aisleyne."
She couldn't have been more right!
I hate the way the public largely judge the housemates on how they look....another example being Lea getting booed on launch night (why?...blond hair, big boobs?)
But Ash managed to come through due to her strength of character, she was humble, strong and vulnerable, witty, charming, sulky, moaned, hyper, load, caring, opinionated, determined, funny and sweet....we saw all of theses sides to Aisleyne, some people didn't like her because they couldn't pigeon hole her as a certain type of person like they could with all the others because they all played a part and she didn't, she was just Aisleyne...so how can anyone seriously call her fake and justify it...surely they can't!
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