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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2006 4:05:25 GMT
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Post by Clash on Dec 30, 2006 14:03:19 GMT
I'll never understand the logic of the death penalty, and in this case especially it looks more like revenge than justice. As brutal a dictator as he was, I won't be celebrating this and I hope that Blair and other MPs do not either. The way some members of this Government rejoiced over the assassination of Saddam's sons was truely sickening. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not mourning Saddam's passing - but nor will I mourn the passing of Bush or Blair when it comes. Only when I see the pair of them also brought to trial for crimes against humanity will I believe that there is any form of justice going on. All I see at the moment is yet more hypocrisy: that old "killing is evil and unforgivable - unless we're the ones doing it" message.
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Post by Harvestgoddess on Dec 30, 2006 14:07:33 GMT
I have to agree with all that you say clash you took the words right out of my mouth .
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Post by premierscfc on Dec 30, 2006 14:16:16 GMT
When these events are looked back on as history none of them will look good.
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Post by juliejuliejulie on Dec 30, 2006 16:51:47 GMT
I didnt really want to comment earlier - but i just felt that this was a tad unjust and have to also agree wity the view of Clash and i so hope Blair and Bush get their come uppance or done for on War Crimes - never liked either of them since they like to *as said by someone on BB*  and very appropriate i would say also they like to suck each other's a*seh*les.... and i had to deal with political stuff at college/uni |
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Post by odm on Dec 30, 2006 18:13:58 GMT
The death penalty is a punnishment that will conflict with peoples morals and religious beliefs.
In the Bible Jesus is renowned for saying ' an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth'...
he also says... ' if someone should smite you, turn the other cheek..'..
..these are beliefs that have been passed down for two thousand years or more..they actually do contradict each other and the reason for that is because they are pieces of advice to use in APPROPRIATE circumstances. It is US that has to decide what is 'appropriate' however.
I have extreme mixed feelings about this business but I dont mind telling you why.
A few years ago I was working for the environment and I happened to be assigned a group of Kurdish males to teach the job at hand and to basically oversee. They were delightful lovely people too. I ended up teaching some of them basic English, (those who could not speak any) and they taught me Kurdish words.. I have never worked with such a wonderful bunch nor have I heard such tales of horror as the ones they told me. Saddam wiped out a lot of their people...5000 of them were gassed. These boys had lost some of the members of their family.
I wont pass judgement though even in the memory of working with these lovely people. I miss them so much that is how much they affected me, and we had our photos taken together which I shall remember always.
The problem with war is the victims. It is what the victims feel that counts. They will be forgiving or they will not. All I know is that Forgiveness is a very special gift that only a human being to give to one another.
If it cannot be given to Saddam Hussein by some, then others who also have forgiveness can give it to those who find it hard to forget such bad memories.
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Post by julian on Dec 31, 2006 0:13:18 GMT
The death penalty is a punnishment that will conflict with peoples morals and religious beliefs. The death penalty was pretty standard in the Old Testament. Different crimes demanded different deaths, such as hanging or stoning. The purpose of the death penalty was to discourage the crimes that demanded it and if it does that and if you could be 100% sure that the person was guilty then I believe that it has its place. Where its effect is to create a martyr and to encourage more killing as a result then I'm not so sure. Incidentally I have to say that I'm appalled at the suggestion that Tony Blair is in any way comparable to Saddam or guilty of any crimes against humanity or anyone else. He backed an action which he believed was necessary for the safety of humanity (or at the very least this country) and even if it turned out that it wasn't necessary I believe it's been pretty well established that he acted in good faith on the information that the intelligence service provided him. In fact, even if there was only a 10% chance that a power-mad tyrant who hated the West had the power to wreak mass destruction on its enemies and destabilize the entire planet I don't think that's a risk that a responsible leader should be taking. At the very least he helped remove a ruthless dictator and liberate an oppressed people. If they then decide to turn on each other in civil war due to the power vacuum caused then a) I don't see how he's responsible for that and b) if he is responsible for that then it's only right that he tries to help fix it. Whatever your politics I think to compare him to a person willfully responsible for the torture and murder of thousands of innocent people on a regular basis is quite preposterous! Regards Julian |
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Post by juliejuliejulie on Dec 31, 2006 15:19:49 GMT
Yes but where is these *weapons* that everyone went on about - its now even more appalling that we needed to see this in all the front pages of the news today of what they did to him.... Julian im not quite comparing T Blair to Saddam but i just dont like the guy - what exactly has he done - He says he will do this and that - but he is m ore interested in international politics and freebie holidays - hmmm i can go on but nhs, education, knocking down great houses - hence in the place where i am from government labour run, every bit of spare land has housing developments, but they wander why people are leaving the city, but continiously knock multi's down, got people who have had land for years moved out knocked their place down and built tiny wee houses on too of each other, they have more time for the pc brigade/human rights people also....more than they do us. Also does he need to smarm himself into popstars good books - so maybe by the end of his term he might next be a lord or sir who knows - but i forget he got rid of the proper lords from the house of lords. |
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Post by carrickmac on Dec 31, 2006 15:21:17 GMT
At least now we know for sure this man will never return to power which could have happend if he was just jailed
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Post by ravengirl on Dec 31, 2006 17:36:26 GMT
Saddam should have just been locked up, by killing him they have made him a marthyr
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