Great Posts about Aisleyne

[remaha]

Not sure who wrote this, but NoBrains added it to the thread on 28 July

Last night during any dancing ash was about 2 ft from a mirror pouting and posing at her own reflection....shallow !!! who cares.
This is no different from Pete, Jennie, Imogen. Also it is how the show is edited. That is the camera that the producer decides to use at any single moment.

The other hm's did the same but were in groups when doing it. and later you imply that she is faking a stomach ache. Which has nothing to do with over eating curry and icecream a few hours before.



Last night ash went to bed moaning about a sore tummy, until a song came on then she leapt out of bed to strut her stuff in front of the mirror again, pouting and posing in front of the mirror..music stops ash returns to bed.
Music is a rare treat in the BB house. People can forget their pain to just enjoy a musical moment.


Last night during one song the group were all doing a group pose in a line in front of the big mirror, ash was dancing by herself away from the group, but realising she wasn't the centre of attention with the cameras she went to the very front of the group went down on her knees inbetwean the group and the mirror to become the centre of attention....she was about 1ft from the mirror when she did this...why?
Why do people stop and look in the shop window you are looking in. Its called curiosity


For someone who nominated richard last week why does she feel the need to nanny everyone when setting up his party..my answer would be , to be the centre of attention again.
Just maybe she would like to know that they did their best to give Richard a Great surprise not just a nice surprise. She is a natural leader and thats what natural leaders do. They see a need a tell someone what they see.

[remaha]

Originally posted by Mela80 on 29 July:
I can't for the life of me understand those who would villify a person for no reason at all.

This is a house full of people who are human. They have all made mistakes, none of them are perfect and they all want to win. You can have your favourite but what is the point in hating someone?

If you hate Aisleyne ask yourself why. Seriously.

Then when you start threads like 'do you think Ash is perfect' or 'why do you like Ash?' you might have a better idea.

You are spewing hatred on a girl who has been through so much in that house - you must be sick of others pointing out the obvious jealous nature you have. I'm not going to add to that.

Put yourself in her shoes - into the house, contant bullying, backstabbing against you (for nothing), being nominated by those you thought were your friends, put into a house with nice people, forced to evict them to God knows where, put back in the house that hated you, bitched about again, chanted at when done nothing, letched after by friend but can't say anything to not hurt his feelings, trying to be friendly with everyone and there's not enough time.

If she were a quiet, 20 year old overweight brunette she would have your pity. Instead she's a brash, loud, blonde, toned woman who wants to keep strong and be the better person.

I admire her for that - looking 'bad' is not the only hurdle in life. Looking good can make people hate you for no good reason...

[remaha]

Another great post by cloud9 (dated 29 July):

Sorry another long post - (I have to get all my opinions out once I start - but I know it can be tiring for some to read - just skip the boring bits).

For me, its definately confirmed my opinion on a few things:

Bias against Ashlene

1 .. I finally see the 'curry incident' that folk have been talking about. So Spiral flies off the handle as usual and throws abuse at Ash. And not surprisingly, its Ash who has to be the one to go and try and reassure Spiral and talk things through after it, with Spiral being in a childish huff. I can't believe that some had been saying that Ash had actually been the one to blame for that incident?

2...Davina says to Spiral 'All your bad moments were with Ashlene' (or words to that effect). Excuse me? So when he lost it with Nicky and when he lost it with Jenny - what was that called? Had those moments to be erased from his memory so that he can concentrate on blaming and bitching about Ash as being the soul cause of his problems throughout the interview?

3...When showing the nominations to Michael and Spiral - of course they show the part where Ash is nominating Spiral. Remember it was Jenny that was the first to nominate Spiral - and Ash went along with it. But best to show the Ash bit, since we want him to bi@tch about her during the show. (Also interesting to note that in the nominations clip that was shown, Ash was giving a factual reason for her nomination - unlike Pete and Richard who were slagging off Michael and taking the complete piss out of him. Pete laughing his head off about this. But as usual, Pete is not even mentioned in the interview - only Rich and Ash take the flack.

4...Not surprisingly they show all the clips where Ash and Spiral are having fun together - trying their hardest to make it look like Ash was to blame for leading him on. She did not lead him on - and gave him clear indications nothing would happen. Spiral himself would say 'I know I'm not going to get anywhere but I'm going to keep trying'....he consistently went over the score and pushed the boundaries - it was his doing - even Jayne who was in the house said Spiral just wouldn't get the message.

5...and yet again, shes the only one in the house to get chants made against her on eviction night. What has she done to deserve this? Even Jayne on BBBM said that she had to concede that she went into the house with a lot of bias against Ashlene, and did resent her nominating her but had to admit Ashlene never did or said anything against her to make her dislike her - she had been wrong.

Michael

As much as I thought Michael was a bit over the top and annoying, I did suspect he was a nice guy and maybe just had a few 'issues'. His empathy with the other housemates when they received their letters showed this - as did his eviction and what he had to say. Yes, he had been bullied in the past, was a bit insecure and overeacted because Richard was deliberately trying to make him feel small in front of the others and was exploiting the weaknesses he knew he had. He seems a really nice guy though. What did the rest of you think of Michael? It was nice also, (given the fact that I like him) to hear him say nice and genuine stuff about Ashlene and come to her defence when Spiral was slagging her off.

Pete

Sorry Pete fans, but I'm quicly going from 'I don't think he deserves to win although I'd like him to be in the final' to 'I'm not backing him at all'. .. he just lets me down the more the show goes on. I've tried giving him the benefit of the doubt a few times, but I'm not warming to the guy at all any more.

Hes telling people hes leaving the prison because he needs space and doesn't like 'material stuff' at all.....then he tells Glyn he left because he couldn't stand having such lovely things and having such a good time, knowing that the others weren't. I know some of you will just think hes soooo nice that that would be the real reason, but I'm afraid I don't. And If hes so averse to 'material things' why does he wear a long leather coat when hes inside the house and wear shades on his head (since they've no practical use sitting on his head)

Its understandable that Pete was disappointed at not getting his letter, but I thought it was very telling that he was the only one of the officers who was too concerned about the fact the prisoners got letters and they didn't to be capable of feeling the empathy and emotion towards their friends in the other room. While all the other officers were too busy sharing the emotions of their housemates and watching their reactions - Pete was too busy saying 'I'm not getting one' - and on receiving the letters, all the others were really caught up with the moment of what was being said in the heartfelt letters and being touched by their housemates responses that they werent even thinking about the fact they weren't receiving any themselves. Jenny and Michael in particular really showed they were touched and had feelings for their fellow housemates. It took Mikey to point out to Pete that he should look at it from a positive - Richard wouldn't have heard about his mum otherwise. Richard is supposed to be Petes best mate, but it was the other housemates who felt for him at this emotional time......because Pete was too wrapped up in himself. Even when the housemates got together to share their emotion at the end - and it was a nice bonding moment of support and empathy for each other, Pete takes himself away to mope about the fact he never got one. As usual though, this incident brought out the public sympathy for Pete again. Pete made the choice to leave - no one forced him to and remember the rest of the housemates didn't get letters either - and wanted them just as much as Pete did. Or does Pete need the letter more than anyone else because hes 'special and nicer than the rest'
I'm not saying Pete is evil for getting upset about not receiving the letter - but I am saying it shows how he is much more concerned about his own feelings to open up and join in with emotions of another group in the house. His behaviour came as no surprise to me - or that it had to be someone else coming out to Pete - he just doesn't contribute or share enough with the group.

I just think hes more and more fake as time goes on. I know we see things differently and read into things differently. But my view is that him and Richard know very well they're going to go far and he is playing the game very slyly.

PS (last comment, promise!).....remember I was going on about Petes refusal to share his thoughts even when its not to do with bithcing? The scene with him out in the garden with Glyn last night was yet another example of this.

Glyn: Do you fancy Jenny?
Pete: Long, waffly and vague reply
Glyn: You do fancy Jenny, don't you?
Pete: Do you fancy Jenny?
Glyn: I asked you first, come on tell the truth!
Pete: Why don't you tell the truth?
Glyn; (tells the truth)...."OK, I actually did fancy her at the strart but not now, I just see her as a really close friend"

[remaha]

Originally posted by Sun Warrior on 29 July:
I am actually saying she cannot win metaphorically. No matter what Ash does - she is always going to be wrong in some peoples eyes. Unfortunately, those people form a very large population and most of the eviction crowds are formed of these people.

These people will cheer Lea, Nikki and even Jayne, despite their incessant bitching, two-facedness, nasty remarks. However, Aishleyne, despite doing nothing really objectionable, will be jeered.

If Nikki cries and throws tantrums - it's considered entertaining and endearing by these people. If Ash cries, it's considered attention seeking, manipulation, fake.

If Nikki bitches, it's considered funny and these people feel sorry for her angst. If Ash does it, it's considered gameplaying, bitchy, nastiness, bullying.

Aishleyne's only fault is, that she is an attractive and strong minded woman. And we know from watching BB over the years, that an attractive and strong minded woman cannot win and almost always becomes widely hated.

When it's people like this who form a major and influencial part of those who vote for BB and go to eviction nights, Aishleyne does not stand a chance.

The poor girl cannot even so much as move, without these people finding it offensive in some way.

Aishleyne is under the impression that she will change the opinion of these people. I think she is just beginning to realise(I hope) that she cannot and is becoming resigned to that fact.

When the crowd chanted last night, Aishleyne heard them, but it had no effect on her. If it happens again, she might just laugh and shake her bum at them

It's also becoming increasingly apparent that the BB producers want to do a Makosi II with her. They are grooming her as the national villain, and there is no doubt in my mind, that Aishleyne will come out to a baying crowds lynching her.

Is it fair? When has Big Brother been fair? The whole concept behind the show is unfair and attrats audiences who are equally unfair. Just look at our winners over the years.

Aishleyne will most likely not be rewarded by BB and the public. But she will rewarded in life for her positive karma.

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lea37
One Silver Star

Posted 29-07-06 17:37
Many people have criticised Aisleyne for not getting emotional when reading Rich's letter and this post is an attempt to show people my interpretation of the full picture.

Personally I found the letter very emotional. It was sad, funny and sweet at the same time.

When Imogen was reading out Ash's letter Ash asked her to "Read it properly" as Ims was getting emotional. When she saw how emotional Spiral was when reading Rich's letter (to the point where he couldn't read it) she took over and maintained a calm voice so that Richard could hear his letter properly and hear it in the manner in which it was written, upbeat, positive and informative at the same time.

To read it in a sad, pitying way would have been detrimental to Richard which she knew.

I'd like to point out also that Ash was the first one over to Rich as soon as he started crying. She went over and stood by him and put her arm around him.

She realised that the way Spiral was reading it was upsetting Rich. When she read it out she got him laughing as intended.

Afterwards she went straight back up to him and put her arm around him again, he said "Thank you" and she asked "Are you ok?".

When the letters were finished they stood up and she cuddled him and said "That was a beautiful letter".

They then had a group hug and Richard can be seen stroking Ash's back with his thumb.

People are too concerned in seeing the negative to see the positive points like this.

Please can people try and be fair to the girl and see the whole picture.

She did a good thing by stepping in and she read it in the manner in which it was intended.

I'm kind of glad that some people have focused on the bad as otherwise I wouldn't have looked back and seen the good that admittedly I had missed the first time.

[remaha]

Never has so much effort been put into converting one forum member to Ash

this was little buttercups' post (30 July) that helped tempt Rosie from the dark side

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Originally posted by little buttercup:
Morning Rosie, an answer as promised!

There are things I like and don't like about every HM. For what it's worth they are quite an unlikeable bunch this year, and as I said last night I feel the prison task has cunningly brought out the worst in every single one, which was not pleasant to watch yesterday.

I've got a lot of time for Richard, Pete and, to an extent, Glyn and would like to see them all in the final four. But Aisleyne for me should be the winner, even though I know she won't be.

I find Aisleyne to have quite an inspirational personality (you should see some of the intelligent and fascinating threads started by her fans and admirers on here over the past few weeks). I've said before that she has the look of a page three model and the personality of a head girl. There's something about her that seems to fizz with energy and empathy. When she's up, the whole house is up, yet she has the power to bring the whole house down without even meaning to. The other HMs crave her attention, which is very dangerous for her as they will sense this power and seek to evict her now that the crunch weeks are approaching and people try to win.

People have expressed their admiration for her poise and strength during the Grace/Sezer bullying and sniping, so I won't reiterate that. Like you, I believe that she has been through far more turmoil in the house than any of the others. I'm surprised she's still hanging on to be honest - she's clearly displaying all the hallmarks of being extremely stressed. She's tired, stroppy, moody, hyper-sensitive and her voice has become more high-pitched. The annoying screaming and moaning is all a symptom of this - I've been through it myself - so I'm impressed by how well she's coping, especially in combination with PMT and headaches.

She's shown all her negative traits this week (which won't help her, so I hope she evades nomination next week). She can be snappish, defeatist and selfish at her worst. I think her exhaustion came into play this week and over-rode her logic - usually she thinks things through and tries her best, but the luxury room was just the holiday she needed, so she was thoughtlessly quick to declare the tasks impossible. In previous weeks she would have seen the tasks as a pilgrimage to be rewarded.

I hope you can also see that, as bad as she can be, she is no worse than any of the others. Imogen, Spiral and Glyn were just as selfish, and Imogen was equally defeatist. I think the reason Ais appears worse, or more responsible, than the others is that she's a natural leader and more vocal (Imogen shows far more selfish behaviour but she's so quiet it goes un-noticed most of the time).

What Aisleyne is NOT is a bi@tch. She is NOT disloyal and she is NOT two-faced or a backstabber. She tries her best to be fair and friendly and for my money she does the best out of any of them. They're all stuck with people they would not be friends with in the real world, and tensions appear. When Ais snaps, she can appear to be a nasty person, but if she were genuinely nasty she would, like Grace, have no regrets and not apologise. Ais doesn't get into gangs and snipe, bi@tch and plot about people, so she doesn't have that outlet for her frustrations. That, combined with a sense of betrayal and PMT is what led her to lose it with Nikki and Lea. Those two had it coming, but Ais should not have behaved in the way that she did. HOWEVER, the crucial thing about this episode is that she spent a week examining her faults and behaviour and genuninely learned something about herself. She felt cruel for doing what she did, repented and apologised. Lea accepted the apology, Nikki didn't. It says more about Nikki than it does about Aisleyne (I was a Nikki fan too up until this point, although I do feel that Nikki was led astray by Jayne).

Aisleyne is also capable of great love and empathy. She is a comforter to people and a very mature and devoted friend. Spiral has absued this, which Ais has been hurt by, which is completely unfair of him. In the House Next Door, Aisleyne finally let her guard down and allowed her softer side through. She had a lot of defenses up before then, no doubt her life had taught her to be cautious and not allow her to let people in too easily (being rejected by her mother must have been extremely tough). Although it's lovely to see the softer Ais, her experience has also left her very weak. Her hysteria the night she evicted Jonathan was partly for him and partly a stress breakdown. She was releasing all that tension that had built up right from when Lea started to turn people against her out of jealously for Pete. She was nominated by her friends, faced eviction to a baying crowd, a euphoric response to being sent next door and a rollercoaster week of friendship and tension. She had a lot to let go of and she let go of it that night, and on the Saturday when she did all the cleaning.

All Aisleyne fans, despite the protestations of the haters, do see her bad points. But we also see that her bad points are no worse than any of the others. Aisleyne is a loving, loyal person with a fiery, dynamic personality. She's a thinker, with an instinctive logic and a staunch defender of what's right. Her passionate nature is inherently flawed, but I identify with that as I am similarly liable to fly off the handle when tired and stressed and be completely unreasonable with people. However, my friends and family don't abandon me when I do this, so I will not abandon my support of Aisleyne for something so trivial and HUMAN.

Out of all the HMs, she seems the most human to me. She might have a game-plan, but she's not as soul-less as the others are with theirs. She has gone on the longest journey of any of them in there and it is all the more difficult for her as she has such a fiery temper. For people like Imogen, Susie and Mikey it's been a breeze - just float about under the radar avoiding eviction. Aisleyne's presence in the house is exciting and tempestuous. It's all the more exciting to be a fan of hers because it's not an easy ride. People on this forum get frustrated with the FAKERS, but the fact is that Aisleyne needs an army - she has her battle to stay within the house, but her fans have to battle with the Endemol bias, the ignorance and bigotry of the haters and the gutter press dragging her name through the mud. Thankfully we have big guns on our side - Grace Dent, for one Big Grin

In a dull and thoroughly messed up Big Brother, being an Ais fan is about the only fun you can have. It's too easy to be a Pete fan and the others are all too boring and one-dimensional. Richard is more interesting to support, but in the end he hasn't changed or gone on much of a journey. He's playing a good game and he's fun to watch but that's about it. Aisleyne is in a very dangerous position at the moment - people like Imogen will start to nominate her because they think the public don't like her and they are gutless swine. Ais is going to be hanging on by the skin of her teeth, so if she makes it to the final she will have won yet another battle and, as far as I'm concerned, the whole war. She can't beat Pete, but getting to the final three is the prize she deserves.

God, sorry, I've gone on and on here. But basically, yes - an all-male final three would be awful, and Aisleyne deserves more than any of them, men included. Whether you hate her or not you have to admit that she is a real personality, warts and all, in a mire of ditchwater thickies.

She is Obi-Wan Kenobi or Luke Skywalker in Endemol's evil empire (see my sig Big Grin). She beat the bias in the 11-eviction week, I just hope she can do it again, especially now there are more of her supporters being allowed on the sister shows. Join us Rosie..... join us....

[remaha]

the lyrics to this classic song were originally posted by astarinthemaking after psychological test results task, one of the darkest days for Ash. They brought tears to my eyes. maybe I'm just an old softie.

When the night has come
And the land is dark,
And the moon is the only light we'll see.
No I won't be afraid,
Oh I won't be afraid,
Just as long as you stand, stand by me

So darlin' darlin' stand by me,
Oh stand by me,
Oh stand, stand by me, stand by me.

If the sky that we look upon
Should tumble and fall,
Or the mountain should crumble to the sea.
I won't cry, I won't cry,
No I won't shed a tear,
Just as long as you stand, stand by me.

And darlin' darlin' stand by me,
Oh stand by me,
Whoa stand now, stand by me, stand by me.

Darlin' darlin' stand by me,
Oh stand by me,
Oh stand now, stand by me, stand by me.

Whenever you're in trouble just stand by me,
Oh stand by me,
Whoa stand now, oh stand, stand by me.

[remaha]

Posted by MissAlabaster
Four Silver Stars

Posted 30-07-06 23:54
Another older female backing Ash here! Also a high Mach, though I would say I am an honest and straight-talking person.

I do find that people who attack Ash are picking up on her alleged fakeness, when I see someone who wants to make people around her happy. She tried to let Spiral down gently repeatedly and he couldn't handle it. Pathetic. Having a go at her hair, clothes etc is beyond trivial.

I like Ash for her straightness; if she's had a problem with someone she's always the first to broach the subject and quick to apologise. She always says when she's been a cow or jealous, which let's face it, are human emotions. She's had a difficult upbringing, with the Witnesses, getting disfellowshipped, an uncomfortable relationship with her mum. She's a survivor, maybe she's got reason to be cynical, which is what many of the Mac test questions are actually leading you towards.

[remaha]

A post by lea37 (dated 31 July) after Ash was getting flack for Glyn's improper advances.

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Originally posted by BULLWHIP:

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Originally posted by jeansyd:

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What exactly do I need to back up?
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I asked you to offer an explanation as to why the other females in there didn't get treated like Aisleyne, i.e. all the sexual attention she seems to get.

You, or anyone else for that matter, have not as yet provided an answer to this.

I am genuinely interested in what your answer might be.
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So am I.
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Right then.

Imogen has had a lot of sexual attention from Sezer, Mikey and Spiral (he reportedly pinned her down and tried to kiss her as I have already stated).

Jen also has had sexual attention but it has been more subtle and discussed between the boys rather than with her to her face.

The boys were flirting with Susie the other night when she was in her nightie saying that it was all in the pose and that she had got it going on. She flirted back saying I know how to work it boys.

Jayne came outside topless and constantly flirted with the boys.

Lisa lapdanced Pete and kissed people in spin the bottle.

Grace showered with Mikey and probably did more with him.

Lea received and gave out sexual attention. From deep throating carrots to lapdances.

Nikki has given and received PLENTY of sexual attention with noone quite sure how far things went with her and Pete. She can clearly be heard saying f*** me to Pete the first night she slept in his bed. Does she deserve the same condemnation you have given Ash for this much more overt and forthright behaviour?

Not in my opinion no, NONE of them do.

All of the aforemaentioned have worn revealing clothes and acted sexily at some point in the Big Brother house. Even the men can be accused of the same thing.

Pete got his bits out in the pool much to the delight of Lisa and Lea.

Glyn and Spiral have been seen naked in the house.

Richard walks around in tight pants and little else at times.

What's the difference?

YOUR perception. THAT is the difference.

Ash gets a lot of sexual attention as she is the sexiest (not necessarily prettiest) in there.

She is confident, charismatic, enigmatic, flirty and kind.

She is not stand-offish and is friendly and tactile with ALL the housemates (male AND female).

People like Spiral and Glyn have blurred the line of friendship and overstepped it, others like Pete haven't showing it is not down to the woman to behave in a certain manner, it is down to the men to adjust their REACTIONS to what THEY perceive as 'inviting' behaviour.

the rubbish you are spouting keeps the cycle going and puts women in the position of blame for men not being able to control their urges.

Well guess what, a short skirt or a flirty dance doesn't mean we are 'asking for it' and while idiotic reasoning like yours continues we will continue to have the lowest r*pe conviction rate around and have girls blaming themselves for things beyond their control.

There's your answer.

[remaha]

Sun Warrior
Two Gold Stars

Posted 31-07-06 20:55
This notion that Aisleyne is "fake" "manipulative" and the kind of conspritatol theories that spring up here questioning her motives and intentions and scrutanising her every action - is mostly a fabrication - their proponents have been duped by Big Brother.

It is small wonder why none of the Ash Bashers can rationally explain their dislike of her(we are familair with how ridiculous some of those explainations are) of her or when they started to suspect her.

Most claim it was during the week she was nominated and she burst out at Lea and Nikki,

I will tell you when it really started. Aisleyne was very popular in the weeks preceeding to the Big reveal on BBBB - the reveal that she was the highest Machevellian housemate, where it was defined as the ability to manipulate and be deceitful. Ever since, this association with Aisleyne has stuck and often quoted by her detractors.

Before then, this idea that she was manipulative, fake and deceitful barely even existed. In fact most Ash Haters admit to actually liking her in the beginning.

When the psychologist -considered by many BB viewers as authority figure - insinuated that Aisleyne was the most manipulative and deceitful housemate, a seed of suspicion and mistrust was implanted in the viewers consciousness.

After that, a lot of people who previously liked her, started to report a change in her. This was in fact even before Aishleyne was nominated. The seed had been planted and was germinating in the viewers consciousness.

In fact it was not Aisleyne who was changing, but the viewers perception of her was changing. It did not take long, before everything she was was doing was being questioned, especially her loyality to her friends, particularly to Pete.

This further festered by Lea's and Nikki's suspicions of Aisleyne using Pete. Now, what was initially just a seed, had germinated and propogated into a solid belief that Aisleyne was indeed manipulating Pete.

It is a fabricated belief that Aisleyne is fake, manipulative and deceitful, and that is why it cannot be rationally and reasonably explained. Hence, why a lot of Ash haters just prefer insulting her and balk at attempts to reason.

It is scientific fact, that once ideas or habits form, they are difficult to change. Partly, because our beliefs and habits are physically represented in our brain as neurological pathways. The only way to change your beliefs and habits is to have great strength of mind. The kind of people who have allowed themselves to be influenced by BBBB's psychologists, are no doubt weak-minded and very naive.

I won't go into too much technical detail, it would be enough to just say, that Ash Haters are not likely to change their beliefs about Aisleyne irrespective of how compelling the arguments put forward by her supporters and sympathisers, or what she does.

So there you have it. Most of the hatred and suspicion directed at Aisleyne, is all based on a fabrication, which in psychological terms is called a shared delusion. The rest are just Nikki fans, but that's another post